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That's what I meant.
I wrote: Maybe if we did delve into religion, we'd do what you're suggesting.
Warp it into something obscene.

Fuck yeah. If we can get Peregrin back in to help with the reinvention of his TechnotheoCATS (*cue lolcat macros*), he'll have merry hell with "creatively reinterpreting" JudeoChristianity.

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SiegeTank wrote: Frankly I think that's unfair. We've got Buddhist incarnations and all sorts of gods and pseudo-gods milling about, so I don't see what should make the Abrahamic religions a no-go area. I know bashing Christianity is the fashionable thing to do on the web, and I'm not saying we ought to incorporate it wholesale (far from it in fact), but we can work with it, subvert it to our own uses, just like we did with Pai, Zeus, the Gladiators, et al.

I've never really understood this obsession with wholesale blacklisting Christianity. Seriously, not a word from anyone when stereotypical depictions of Zeus or Anubis are thrown around, but when the YHWH-word falls that's suddenly not done? Why on Earth not? Obviously if you're building, say, a fantasy universe where mythology has to be copied word for word you're going to run into problems (I am, of course, referring to the original Atlantis Rising fiasco), but no-one ever said that's what had to happen. Comix is far too tongue-in-cheek for that.

As an example, the Gladiators, Zeus' chosen ones, are mainly concerned with cocking about on flying chariots, displaying their resplendant oiled-up nudery - I hardly see that as a correct representation of ancient Greek heroics. Rather, it's a play on a given theme. The same can be done with any other theme, including Christian mythology.
I agree. Frankly, the blacklisting of Judeo-Christianity has always struck me as absurd, considering the fact that we already have a plethora of Gods running about (anybody remember Chernobog?). Hell, I originally had plans for a reinterpretation of Hell in order to better explain their attempted invasion on 6/6/06, but that was essentially shot down because it dealt with elements of Judeo-Christianity. As long as we deal with it in a intelligent manner, I see no issues with incorporating Judeo-Christianity into Comix!.
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Honestly, back int he day I thought it was totally reasonable to blacklist Christianity, simply because in my mind we were going to avoid making use of major existing mythologies and instead forge our own path. And then I made Pai. That was a bit of an oops moment.

Even still, direct interpretations are still fairly ridiculous. The less we define 'hell', the better. Literally, I do not want to know what it actually is, who is actually there, what they do or anything like that. This is mostly because Hell is lame. Yeah, Apocrypha was one of my favourite universes, but do we actually need to actively define the heirarchy of demons or whatever? It's kind of cool that Master Evil tossed Eight Fold Path straight into hell simply because he couldn't actually kill him, but you want to know what one of the worst things to ever happen in Marvel was? Galactus versus Satan (Mephisto, whatever). My opinions on how actually interesting the Abrahamic mythology is are irrelevant.
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I wouldn't be opposed to forming a more coherent picture of Hell, as long as it turns out to be an interesting picture. Preferably not the stereotypical place with yeering demons lorded over by Baal or Mephisto or some other [Generic Demon Name Here] character. If there are creatures living there, let's make them more than just 'rar evil' (it'd be pretty awesome to have, for example, an Ambassador of Hell on Earth). They can be disturbing and even unlikeable, but at least give them some more character than 'I'll feast on your soul, muhaha'.

(For example, we could conceivably have a Hell as being run like a 17th century pirate vessel - as a radical democracy, with the crew voting for the captain they think will bring them the best loot whilst not getting them all killed. Just an idea, and probably not the best one, but at least it's an improvement over the usual standard.)
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I don't know. Keep the afterlife more or less undefined, since if we start dealing with it, that only opens up doors that only Uncle Ben can't go through. The whole character death and resurrection shtick.

We can have deities like the MechaChrist and the Cyber Demon, but just because we have Zeus and his naked peons doesn't mean Olympia or Elysium or whatever really exist.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:I don't know. Keep the afterlife more or less undefined, since if we start dealing with it, that only opens up doors that only Uncle Ben can't go through. The whole character death and resurrection shtick.

We can have deities like the MechaChrist and the Cyber Demon, but just because we have Zeus and his naked peons doesn't mean Olympia or Elysium or whatever really exist.
You're assuming, though, that a place like Hell would be where people go to when they die. Why not just have it as another plane of existence that was already inhabited by demonic creatures who are in it for themselves, rather than some sort of final resting place?
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This is a possibility, but at the same time I am still unsure. Siege's suggestion is actually quite interesting, but at the same time I have this nervous inkling I can't possibly explain. Like Shroomy, I don't like the idea of defining the 'afterlife' to any particular degree; not that hell has to be some sort of afterlife, but if it isn't, then isn't still basically 'lulz demons'? I don't know, I feel conflicted: I don't want to give it all that much cosmological significance, yet at the same time I just don't see the point if it doesn't have any! Argh, just ignore me on this issue.
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I guess I can relate to the hesitation to define the afterlife with any degree of certainty. After all, it's the afterlife - it's supposed to be mysterious, dammit. If one can tell with any appreciable amount of certainty what's up next (if anything), that takes a fair bit out of the whole 'being mortal' drama.

Perhaps it's just best to keep all our options open. Maybe you'll go to Hell, maybe to Elysium, maybe you'll end up reincarnated as the Buddha, maybe you'll pass on through Tchernobog's Gates never to return, or maybe you'll just go out like a candle and that'll be that. There can be a multitude of options open to our characters, it doesn't have to be dual matter (hell/heaven, or even afterlife/no afterlife). I rather like the flexibility that affords.

(And hey, who said that any given afterlife had to be permanent? Even if you somehow ended up in Hell, doesn't mean you can't escape to some better place!)
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Fuck the afterlife. Sometimes, giving away too much just ruins shit. Angels and Demons and naked Heraculeses performing feats of naked nudery should have an element of mystery and mysticism. Some things shouldn't be explained - like how Heracules can throw the sky at space mooses and stuff.
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You said we should try revamping the TTC into something more serious and well thought out, like how such an institution would actually be (in a world like OZC!), and I'm all up for that myself really. It's just that right now I'm REALLY busy with some university work - what about we say that next weekend, I'll formulate some thoughts on exactly what to do with the TTC and post them in the thread? :)
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We can't be too serious. Notice how the other OZ Comix! theological examples Siege (and others) have mentioned involved naked Greco-Romanic spectacle-hedonists and pre-teen Buddha girls?

By the way, that sounds so wrong.

SiegeTank wrote:Why can't they just be an odd bunch of cybernetic preachers at first sight, but with a vastly bigger and higher-tech organization lurking behind them?

I like the whole commie craziness as much as the next guy, but this is pushing it. The TTC should not ally with Stalin. If anything the USSR and the TTC should have been at odds with each other the whole time, vying for control over the populace of the Warsaw Pact. No laying low and abiding their time, just hard-core covert war, techno-religion vs. the Power of Communism. We could have state psykers rooting out TTC underground churches, TTC cyborgs raiding KGB prisons, and Stalin and the Patriarch unleashing increasingly more terrible Teslatech onto each other's minions. Which, to my mind, should prove far more interesting than adding another layer of needless complexity to the whole 'rar Stalin' rigamole.

Hell if they're at that much at odds with each other that at least would explain how the USSR managed to fall in the end. Lord knows it is already hard enough to explain how they could ever possibly fail, what with the time machines, communist-empowered heroes, tesla-tech and so on.

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The TTC vying against Putin and his KGB hardliners for modern Russia's future - plus the goddamn vampires and cultists crawling all over Russia and Eastern Europe! Intrigue! Espionage! Mystery! HIND Ds!


Still, perhaps a temporary TTC-Stalin alliance could've happened in World War 2? Who knows what the Goddamn Nazis had to be totally badass.

Magister Millitum's article on Austerlitz, Nemesis, mentioned cyber-mechanical Teutonic Knights. I wonder if it would be cool if these Teutonic Knights were imbued with those dark Chernobog magics. It would all be Chaos Sorcery... with Nazis! And Germanic symbolism! With glowing runes! And swastikas (or Iron Crosses)!

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Shroom Man 777 wrote:We can't be too serious. Notice how the other OZ Comix! theological examples Siege (and others) have mentioned involved naked Greco-Romanic spectacle-hedonists and pre-teen Buddha girls?
Just because something has a monumentally bizarre premise doesn't mean it can't be played straight successfully. As an example, take Dune... you have this far future where most battles are fought with swords, interstellar travel can only be done thanks to people who've mutated into psychic fishmen by taking a spice made from the bile of giant worms, history is manipulated behind the scene by a group of martial artist nuns to create a messiah through eugenics - and it's all written well enough to actually work as serious literature so you don't at all mind how whack the concept is. :)
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The Technotheocracy needs those time-manipulating martial arts nuns. If only for Time Travelling Vladimir Putin and Nicholas Sarkozy to womanize.
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How's this for a start: like the orthodox church, the TTC is split into multiple more-or-less autonomous patriarchates, those being:

1. The Ecumenical Atomic Pontificate of Moscow

2. The Electrified Patriarchate of Kragoreshtan

3. The Autocephalous Electronic Archdiocese of the Far East

Since the Great Schism the Ecumenical Pontificate is the primes inter pares of the TTC, but although they are supposed to work together they sometimes also come into conflict with one another (yay intrigue and quibbling over doctrine!)
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I think the Ecumenical Atomic Pontificate shouldn't be in Moscow the city, but rather the Moscow Oblast area.

Specifically, in a place called Elektrostal. Because that is a goddamn awesome name!

ELEKTROSTAL!

You can imagine tesla spires looming at the horizon just by mentioning that name!
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Shroom Man 777 wrote: ELEKTROSTAL!

You can imagine tesla spires looming at the horizon just by mentioning that name!
I imagine Stalin in tesla power armor actually. I mean, ElektroSTAL? Russian? How could you not make the connection?!

As for Siege's idea of the TTC split, I'm all for it. I assume most of the Technotheocracy pressence in Europe falls under The Ecumenical Atomic Pontificate of Moscow?
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Malchus wrote:As for Siege's idea of the TTC split, I'm all for it. I assume most of the Technotheocracy pressence in Europe falls under The Ecumenical Atomic Pontificate of Moscow?
Yeah. The Electrified Patriarchate of Kragoreshtan is situated in Kragoreshtan (where Azerbaijan/Georgia sit on our OTL maps) and the Autocephalous Electronic Archdiocese of the Far East has its main base somewhere far in the east of Russia, somewhere between Manchuria and Tunguska I'd say.
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Autocephalous Electronic Archdiocese! :lol:

Perhaps they can have Man-Machine-Monks pilgrimaging from their Pyongyang PetroPagodas to go to the TechnoTemples of Tunguska, and along the way they travel through places like Wild Manchuria... performing the occasional mecha-miracles out there in the badlands and the frontier, like giving new life to stricken and thoroughly-ventilated cowpokes by grafting the gifted cybernetics on to them!

And giving them sixshooters for arms! Machineguns for legs!

I have had a particularly awesome idea. Lightning locomotives skimming the Gobi Desert... they don't need train tracks since the trains are actually flying, or hovering, but they look like they're skimming over the water's surface... though that's not water, that's shimmering air since the heat of their tesla-repulsors kind of glasses the sand they pass over!

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That's what the Trojan Horse would look like in some demented Steam Punk author's fever dreams... In other words, it's awesome.
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Holy crap, Vic, that is awesome! Though, I assume it's Photoshopped? Kinda looks like it was.

Oh, and that reminds me, I wanted to post this earlier:
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Man, I really need to revive Westworlds...
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SiegeTank wrote:Man, I really need to revive Westworlds...
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Malchus wrote:Holy crap, Vic, that is awesome! Though, I assume it's Photoshopped? Kinda looks like it was.

Oh, and that reminds me, I wanted to post this earlier:
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