O1 World

[Destructionator]

Go ahead and write it. It takes me such a long time to write these posts and I've been so busy that if you wait on me, it might not happen for weeks.

[Shroom Man 777]

YEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!

[Destructionator]

One nitpick with that scene: when Dirty Harry fires five shots, five bad guys go down.

[Heretic]

Damnit, Shroom! In your awesome writing, I have been defeated! It shall take me a while to write a reply. But I have been defeated only in the real life sense. In my fantasy escapism Sovereign China, I have yet to fall!

And damn, bastard brothers of Michael Ire, all badass? From whores of his father? Damn!

[Shroom Man 777]

Siege, I am sads that you want to sell nuclear weapons to a nation that is currently battling one of my client states.

Can we keep it non-nuclear at the moment so we won't end up fucking each other up?

Also, those Tu-16s aren't impressive and are just local versions licensed from the Soviet Tupolev loaded with big guns. The effectiveness of the STRAK attack relied on the fact that Heretic sent all his warplanes to the meatgrinder. The Tu-22s though... well, I never gave an ethnic description of their crew composition either.

Heretic I think that since you handily blew up a whole lot of the STRAK peninsula with your crazy air raid, the STRAK won't have the resources required to actually plow into China and defeat the Sovereignty. The STRAK offensive will grind down, with luck before they can reach Beijing, and with your whacko Normandy attempt the Koreans will be distracted.

I think we should bring the war from the battlefield and into... the conference tables before more escalation is done? I am sure we all would like our Sovereign Chinas and STRAKs relatively intact.

[Siege]

Siege, I am sads that you want to sell nuclear weapons to a nation that is currently battling one of my client states.

Shoulda thought about that before your client state began bombing the capital of my neighbor . We like quiet borders. China can be pretty unstable, we've seen that in the past; its capital city getting bombed cannot do its stability any good. Hence we're stepping in. Besides, it's not like I'm selling them big H-bombs, they're just small tactical devices for nuclear SAMs. Then again we in the Raj might not think about nukes the same way you do...

[Shroom Man 777]

Siege, I am sads that you want to sell nuclear weapons to a nation that is currently battling one of my client states.

Shoulda thought about that before your client state began bombing the capital of my neighbor . We like quiet borders. China can be pretty unstable, we've seen that in the past; its capital city getting bombed cannot do its stability any good. Hence we're stepping in. Besides, it's not like I'm selling them big H-bombs, they're just small tactical devices for nuclear SAMs. Then again we in the Raj might not think about nukes the same way you do...

Um, Siege, that surgical attack on the Forbidden City itself was a response to this attack:

The Sovereign of China has sent all their aircrafts and ships in a brutal attack against the Korean Peninsula. Bombs of all sorts, from timed grenades to Blu-82 Daisy Cutters which have a 900 feet lethal range, showered upon the Korean Peninsula, killing thousands. The STRAK AIr Force, Navy, and Anti-Aircraft units fought against the incoming invasion and fought hard, but cities like Seoul and Pyongang were devastated, and whole towns just annihilated. No comment from Doctor Manchuria, who is said to be unavailable at this time.

Previously the conflict was contained in Manchuria itself, before the Chinese went out and unleashed all combat aircraft (and probably transport aircraft with bombs stuck in them... like C-130s with Daisy Cutters) to indiscriminately attack targets inside Korea itself. I mean, Jesus, they even loaded planes up with hand grenades just so they could kill Koreans in Korea.

Even Micheal Ire himself was blown a gasket over Sovereign China's actions.

Michael Ire stated that he would like to stay neutral, but condemns Doctor Manchuria for his actions, stating that this is now beyond Texan help aside from PMCs. He has asked Doctor Manchuria to stop further attacks or else international retribution will be sought.

Also, it's not like China doesn't already have Davy Crockett nukes.

[Heretic]

GAAH!! Stupid me! I let my previous post be vague and open, and Shroomy shit happens! How stupid I was also to think that either all the airforce would come to Korea's rescue, or they couldn't do anything about it and let me take over! I've been playing too many RTS's and not doing my homework to remember that they aren't three pixelated models packed into units unable to separate, but individuals who have priorities and could easily go back, bomb some Chinaman, and then come back. Damn my simpleton gamer head!

Edit: Shroomy, that was epic. The Shroomedian and the bombs. The whole thing. Awesome.

Edit Edit: Also, Shroom, I thought Sichuan was part of the Raj or Chicom. Strange.

[Destructionator]

I think we should have some kind of European Economic Conference in Berlin. Why Berlin? To welcome them into the Concord and to show off the unified Germany to the world.

Why a conference? We have a few things open that could be addressed:
a) The Soviet offer
b) The Athenian Phoenix offer
c) Spain's recovery
d) Iron out the issues with a unified Germany
e) Etc etc etc lol

Obviously, Concord members would be there, but it is a European conference, not a Concord one, and Russia is part of Europe too, so they might attend. Finally, the Phoenix Empire, or anyone else who wants to deal with Europe can also come to discuss their offers - it wouldn't hurt to hear them out.

It would be like the West's answer to the recent Soviet meetup.



btw i hope im not breaking the superweapon rule with my secret project

the details will be revealed in due time

[Magister Militum]

Agreed. Beyond the nations of the Concord (France, Spain, Germany, and the Italian Nations), the USSR, Yugoslavia, Turkey (depends on the level of actual independence Russia grants them), the Hyborean (spelled it wrong) Commonwealth (if Speaker shows up), and whatever other nations there exist in Europe that I've mentioned or haven't yet mentioned (Poland, Austria, maybe a independent Hungary if things really went bad for Austria, et al). And, of course, any other non-European nation that has a stake in Europe is welcome.

Oh, and surely you'll be letting your old friend France know what you're cooking up, right?

[Shroom Man 777]

Kamin a shipment of Phoenix arms to China would either a.) require the Phoenix to put ships in New Byzantine ports, because Phoenix territory does not touch the West Coast b.) use ships in the East Coast and let it travel through the Concord-controlled Panama Canal c.) take the long route down south to go around South America or d.) travel east across the Atlantic and across half the world to reach China.

EDIT:

Hang on, who owns Sichuan?

EDIT 2:

Siege mentioned that Sichuan would be Chicom China, Sovereign China, and Raj China's tri-border. Precisely what would this entail?

EDIT 3:

A-ha!

For the record and because I'm too lazy to write this in-game... I'm keeping Tibet and Yunnan. These provinces will, as respectively the Regency of Tibet and the Kingdom of Nanzhao, become tributaries under the suzerainty of the Maharajah. De facto and de jure this only means these provinces now derive their authority from the Lion Throne, rather than the Dragon Throne.

Meanwhile the Raj has withdrawn from Guanxi and Guangdong, on account of failing to win the support of the populace in those areas. The rest of China can go commie for all I care .

EDIT: And for future reference, the Raj ca. 1959:



Light green are the cantons of the Raj proper, dark green are protectorates which have sworn fealty to the Maharajah (resp. Persia, Oman, Yemen and Brunei). Don't hold the shape of Tibet and Yunnan against me please, I had to draw those in myself .

Emphasis mine.

Question answered.

[Siege]

And would you care to explain why you elected to emphasize that particular phrase?

[Shroom Man 777]

God damn.

Hrm... how can we salvage this situation without Communist China ceasing to exist? Aw, mang, all I wanted was Sichuan for the Chicoms to have some fields to plant and grow their craps.

EDIT:

Seriously, damn, I never expected that the Raj would end up getting its hands dirty so soon. And there's no chance in hell that the Soviet Union would ever commit to any conflict with the Raj, and Siege/the Maharajah know this well.

I've gotta figure out how to wrangle something out of this situation before shit starts exploding!

EDIT 2:

Did the Raj just use tactical nuclear weapons on Sichuan?

EDIT 3:

But, yeah, I guess I better bring things to the negotiation table.

EDIT 4:

Siege, Heretic: Does this mean that the Raj has given Sovereign China nuclear-tipped SAMs without getting Hong Kong in return?

[Siege]

Aw, mang, all I wanted was Sichuan for the Chicoms to have some fields to plant and grow their craps.

Then they really shouldn't have been mucking about with revolution right next door to Raj-in-China.

Did the Raj just use tactical nuclear weapons on Sichuan?

No. We dropped high-explosives and incendiaries, as my post indicated.

Siege, Heretic: Does this mean that the Raj has given Sovereign China nuclear-tipped SAMs without getting Hong Kong in return?

If we've given something, we inevitably got something in return.

Also, Heretic's idea of dismantling the SAMs and using the warheads as bombs is pretty funny but I don't think these weapons work that way, and you don't have any experience retooling the Raj's most advanced air-defence weapons, so by rights such endeavors are likely to blow up in your face. It's not like you can just screw the thing open, take the warhead out and dump it in a gravity bomb case; these are delicate, fuzed weapons. In fact, they might come with a dual-key system and a supervising Raj officer to make sure you don't light them off by accident. Plus we won't like it if you use our nuclear weapons to bomb somebody else, even if it's somebody we don't like.

[Shroom Man 777]

Aw, mang, all I wanted was Sichuan for the Chicoms to have some fields to plant and grow their craps.

Then they really shouldn't have been mucking about with revolution right next door to Raj-in-China.

Yeah...

I have to wonder how this will affect the Raj-Soviet relationship. Making peace as soon as possible would be the best idea, before relations become too strained, right? Damage-control and all that.

Did the Raj just use tactical nuclear weapons on Sichuan?

No. We dropped high-explosives and incendiaries, as my post indicated.

Okay. I saw the Hound Dogs and kind of got worried a little bit, there.

Besides, why are you using B-52 Shroomtofortresses rather than B-60 Peacekeepers?

If we've given something, we inevitably got something in return.

Also, Heretic's idea of dismantling the SAMs and using the warheads as bombs is pretty funny but I don't think these weapons work that way, and you don't have any experience retooling the Raj's most advanced air-defence weapons, so by rights such endeavors are likely to blow up in your face. It's not like you can just screw the thing open, take the warhead out and dump it in a gravity bomb case; these are delicate, fuzed weapons. In fact, they might come with a dual-key system and a supervising Raj officer to make sure you don't light them off by accident. Plus we won't like it if you use our nuclear weapons to bomb somebody else, even if it's somebody we don't like.

If they do manage to do it and either nuke Chicom Chinese or STRAK Koreans, it might force the Soviet hand too... And I really, really, really don't want that.


AMYWAY, here's my proposed peace plan:

A tera STRAK-Sovereign China-Chicom China-Raj-in-China ceasefire. The ultimate goal is to end the war and to keep the place as stable as possible, as this is what the Raj wants and the Soviet Union really doesn't want this kind of shit blowing off in its backyard. Blame it on the Sovereign Chinese for escalating and bombing the Korean Peninsula itself, as opposed to just containing the fight in Manchuria. Blame it on Mao for jumping the gun as well.

So, the terms of ceasefire I propose:

1.) STRAK shall withdraw from norther China and Manchuria. The Sovereign Chinese will withdraw their landing forces from the Korean coast. Manchuria shall become a 'Neutral Zone' with Demilitarized De-escalative Demarkation Zones, D-D-DMZs where the borders shall be enforced to keep both warring parties off each other's backs.

2.) The STRAK shall return Sovereign Chinese airmen who crashed in that epic Sovereign air offensive. Currently, these guys are being held in the Hyundai Hilton POW camp and other places.

3.) Reparations. These are going to be haggled since the Sovereign Chinese did bomb a shitload of the Korean peninsula. The STRAK also blew up a dam, which got lots of Chinese killed, as well as other stuff. The Soviets will be willing to rebuild the Sovereign Chinese Ding Dong Dam if this makes the negotiations smoother.

4.) Chicom China and Sichuan. I'm gonna propose that the Chicom be contained there since to the west the Himalayas make a good boundary from Raj's Tibet and the mountainous regions to the south also border Yunnan and basically the entire place is surrounded by mountains. We can turn these into Demilitarized De-escalative Demarcation Zones (D-D-DMZs) and basically contain Chicom China then and there. Also, if Mao Zedong gets Sichuan he'll probably relent and accept these terms and spend the next decade building civilian infrastructure and growing food for his people and will be too busy with planting and harvesting rice to bother with waging war.


If this is done, then the fighting ends and less people die?

[Heretic]

Alright, edited the AA-Nuke dismantlement into putting them on mountains and aiming them down instead.

[Shroom Man 777]

Heretic, what say you to this proposed peace treaty? I mean, because I'm totally sure you wouldn't want to actually use those nuclear SAMs that you've pointed downhill, right?

[Heretic]

Well, seeing that I actually finally got the upper hand on you for once, I want to savor the moment and make your dirt poor communist Chi-com China more poorer. Ahhh...the power.

[Shroom Man 777]

You don't want to quit while you're still ahead?

[Siege]

Besides, why are you using B-52 Shroomtofortresses rather than B-60 Peacekeepers?

Because my B-60s are relegated to exclusively nuclear bombing. The minute they take off, someone is going to be reduced to a self-illuminating parking lot. The B-52 we use when we just want to pummel someone into dust conventionally.

If they do manage to do it and either nuke Chicom Chinese or STRAK Koreans, it might force the Soviet hand too... And I really, really, really don't want that.

Like you're going to war because your proxy got nuked .

*snip terms*

The Raj demands that Mao and his rebels be disarmed and pay reparations for the attack on a Raj outpost, as well as for the munitions expended in our entirely justified strike against the communist insurgency. We also want them out of Sichuan and, well, pretty much anywhere else that's near one of our borders.

Because we're assholes like that.

[Shroom Man 777]

Besides, why are you using B-52 Shroomtofortresses rather than B-60 Peacekeepers?

Because my B-60s are relegated to exclusively nuclear bombing. The minute they take off, someone is going to be reduced to a self-illuminating parking lot. The B-52 we use when we just want to pummel someone into dust conventionally.

H'okay. I didn't know that you were using B-52s like the other guys like France and Athenia (it has Shroomtofortresses, right?) and thought that you had only B-60s instead ala CSW, rather than having both bombers at the same time.

If they do manage to do it and either nuke Chicom Chinese or STRAK Koreans, it might force the Soviet hand too... And I really, really, really don't want that.

Like you're going to war because your proxy got nuked .

No, but if Doctor Manchuria starts pointing his nuclear-SAMs groundwards from hills and going nuts with them, we might end up giving Little Kim his own nuclear-SAMs to point at the ground.

Of course, that's very unlikely and I doubt the Sovereign Chinese are going to nuke their own land.

The Raj demands that Mao and his rebels be disarmed and pay reparations for the attack on a Raj outpost, as well as for the munitions expended in our entirely justified strike against the communist insurgency. We also want them out of Sichuan and, well, pretty much anywhere else that's near one of our borders.

Mao's force aren't just rebels, they're a de facto country that controls Xinjiang, Qinghai, North Gansu and Inner Mongolia and if they're completely disarmed, then there's nothing stopping the Sovereign Chinese from just going there and Chaing Kai Shek-ing them over. Sure, you'd like that, but we won't be happy with that either and that will make us sad. They'll need the means to defend themselves and the Soviets want a Chicom China existing to serve as a buffer between the Raj and the Sovereign Chinese.

Mao can pay reparations for the outpost and the munitions, hell a showtrial for those responsible for that misguided attack can even be done to appease the Rajastanis.

Sichuan can be negotiated. But the commies really need fertile land.

But the commies also own Xinjiang and Qinghai, which border Tibet, and have owned em for some time now. So far, in those regions the commies haven't started anything with the Raj.

If the Soviets promise to reign in the Chicoms, would that placate the mighty Raj?

Because we're assholes like that.

Yeah, pretty much.

[Shady]

It is truly awesome to watch the great powers at work.

[Shroom Man 777]

Jesus Christ, why didn't anyone tell me that it was the Texans who blew up Carson City in Athenia and NOT the Athenians who blew up Carson City in Texas?!

MANG! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! This sucks!

GODDAMN!

[Heretic]

Oh man, I totally forgot, too. And I bombed it!

[Shroom Man 777]

Well...

*erases 'Carson City' from Athenia's list of naughty stuff*

*notes that the list is still long*

OK.

Man, someone please correct me when I make more nonsensical shit, okay?!