Sovereigns of the Stars Supreme, revisited

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Re: Sovereigns of the Stars Supreme, revisited

Post by Shroom Man 777 » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:26 am

The tiered system of lower-tech peasants beneath the technobilities in their hyperkremlins and floating cities and Elysiums could've been the basis for how in the Byzonist Empire the peripheral worlds have to use internal combustion engines whereas the core worlds and Bragule have war-moons and cybrags and gear befitting a galactic power.

With the technobilities, aside from depriving the peasants, it also fuels the "If Only The Tsar Knew" mentality where the local authorities are brutish in enforcing the order but seen as separate from the higher nobles, so the peasants can see the low authorities as antagonistic but continue revering the distant technobilities and abasing themselves to chosen anointed representatives - clergy who serve as proto-commissariat. Like how in the real-life PRC, common folks' disputes are with the local authorities and they still look to the Politburo and central power for assistance.

Peasant families could have revered techno-relic heirlooms, a pocket watch holo-computer, some ancestral verdibolter (rename of the K-bolt...), with engraved features of some saintly patron technoble.

The local boyar could have a nuclear-powered cummerbund/championship belt with the seal of the technoble family, it can shoot death rays or project protective nucleonic fields, but if their authority is revoked by the higher power it could make them explode.

Nobles could come in once a decade or once a century, astride in some ceremonial nucleo-throne like what Orion and Metron have in the Kirby stories, to audit the peasantry. There can be celebrations. The throne can cure diseases. Vaporize wrongdoers in disputes the noble presides over. Stimulate the growth of crops. Project a divine halo!

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Re: Sovereigns of the Stars Supreme, revisited

Post by Invictus » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:44 pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:
Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:26 am
With the technobilities, aside from depriving the peasants, it also fuels the "If Only The Tsar Knew" mentality where the local authorities are brutish in enforcing the order but seen as separate from the higher nobles, so the peasants can see the low authorities as antagonistic but continue revering the distant technobilities and abasing themselves to chosen anointed representatives - clergy who serve as proto-commissariat. Like how in the real-life PRC, common folks' disputes are with the local authorities and they still look to the Politburo and central power for assistance.
So, a metastable system. No social uprising can overcome the tremendous technological barrier between the atomic tsars and everyone else, and when the atomic tsars knock over each other it only replaces the top of the hierarchy - or the system itself just eventually re-coalesces into a top-down technocracy because floating a new hover-city over the radioactive aftermath of the ensuring war is always the easier way.

This is in turn because of the bottleneck of pre-Byzonist ultratech that must be maintained by Bragulan Keepers (Vielre? Vielren?), whose numbers are limited by the fundamental non-interventionism of late-Imperial Apexai who really, really don't want to hand out any more provisional Oversoul access permissions. And maybe also because of the nature of such ultratech as gifts from a higher authority, control over which is always concrete and absolute and only in the hands of a few at a time because they tend to be Kirbyesque cosmo-batons and palm circuits and the like.

So, what changed to make the Byzonist revolution possible?

It probably comes back to the Reignfall again. Like these earlier posts described, the psychic tsunami of the Cataclysm badly messed up the Oversoul and by extension Apexai society, turning its mood into what is, at best, cynical nihilism. If Apexaia was merely mired in decadent self-absorption before, after this point it was no longer even theoretically capable of taking action. Certainly not intervening to make adjustments to the younger species littering its own cosmopolitical backyard*.

But how did the younger species even notice this weakness, given that the Apexai were already unshakably isolationist before this point? Did every Vielre in the K-Zone suffer spontaneous seizures when the Oversoul crashed? Or was the shattering of the Lie that the Apexai crafted for themselves so tumultuous that for a moment everyone shared the guilt and doubt and the fear that the Apexai felt for themselves (and maybe even some inkling of the actual truth, the timeless servitude and the forgetting and the masquerade that became genuine arrogance), and nobody could ever think of them as the wise and tranquil master race afterwards.

I'm not sure whether the loss of the Vielren was enough to make the old model of Bragulan society collapse, attriting away the old ultratech that the atomic tsars relied on down to mad max levels until, for example, Byzon managed to put together a new tech Verdigrite-based industrial base and sweep back out of the old homeworld of Bragule. But the decisive loss of the Apexai's mediating influence on the K-Zone, however minimal it was in the first place, also shook things up, allowing new civilizations to rise into prominence.

Shroom even suggested that the Hrgltuhe, the top astropolitical dogs of the K-Zone at the time and hostile to Apexai influence, had a go at conquering Apexaia first and while it didn't work out, the very attempt broke some unspoken taboo and made the very idea conceivable.

*The idea that an inconceivably powerful and influential elder race only really claims one eponymous planet as sovereign territory does jive with older science fiction (see Lensmen, Arisia). And even if the planet wasn't hidden behind walls of irresistible illusion or its own pocket dimension, who's going to attack Apexaia anyway?
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Re: Sovereigns of the Stars Supreme, revisited

Post by Shroom Man 777 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:07 pm

Invictus wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:44 pm
But how did the younger species even notice this weakness, given that the Apexai were already unshakably isolationist before this point?
That unconsciously psychohistory's inertia drove them to attack, like over the decades and centuries the Vielre themselves became apathetic and some even just withered so there was less and less reinforcement of the old Apexai foreign policy doctrine/order, resulted in the eventuality?

Like the reverse of Sauron eventually regaining enough clout over the centuries since his first defeat, turning Saruman, and the events of LOTR coming to play?

And the Hrlgtuhe. Their neurodogma was designed to harden them from Apexai wiles and they just stubbornly rejected the Grey Order or whatever we'll call their doctrine, and then as the Apexai lost their puissance this corresponded with centuries of increasing Hrlgtuhe aggression and opportunism - their encroaching of the Desthej* and the old Bragulan nations, a failed attempt on the Apexai themselves, and finally defeat at the hands of the reformed Bragulans who finally did the job the Hrlgs couldn't do.

*For the Desthej, the Instrumentality was a parallel psychosocietal hardening... perhaps the Desthej were former Hrlgtuhe allies or also went through a similar period of rejecting Apexaism? OR during the Apexai decline, after or even before the Reignfall, we already see societies rejecting Apexaism and its Keepers , forming psycho-hardened orders (like a diet version of what the Myrran did). Perhaps Byzon was a representative of the Bragulan movement towards anti-psionics and hardening.

I propose the Keepers are called the Vielre or Vielren and Bragulan propaganda decried it as the Vielren Theocracy :P
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